Pocketing & the end of hex n00bs (hopefully)

[Jenshiye]

Thank you AO devs for the "nerf" to kiting the hecklers. Now please do something to borgs too.

Finally, similar to the assist command, please check what level the monster you are attacking is attacking. If the heck is attacking a 220 and you are a 130.

Run module check_monster_target 
Return value targ = 220
%m level = 130

Return 130 team_range = (94,179)

If team_range (0,x) < targ (0,220) then
  team_bln = false
  set XP gain for this monster = self_level * (200 * ((220/100) *130))
End if

Something like that, checking if they are in team range with monster target, if they aren't then they get a modest amout of flat XP.

Edit :

Part of the "Are the in XP range to be in this team?" module can be used + a sort of assist command.

...
---> Either we need to change how we play and start helping people.
or
---> We need mechanics like this to protect new players.
...

[Swordbreaker]

I see your quest to become a hermit continues. Too bad if that was ever to happen, you wouldn't stay as such for very long.

[thecheeseman]

NOOOOO MY PRECIOUS BORGS!!!!!!!!!
leave my borgs alone

[Shareida]

Thank you AO devs for the "nerf" to kiting the hecklers. Now please do something to borgs too.

Finally, similar to the assist command, please check what level the monster you are attacking is attacking. If the heck is attacking a 220 and you are a 130.

Run module check_monster_target 
Return value targ = 220
%m level = 130

Return 130 team_range = (94,179)

If team_range (0,x) < targ (0,220) then
  team_bln = false
  set XP gain for this monster = self_level * (200 * ((220/100) *130))
End if

Something like that, checking if they are in team range with monster target, if they aren't then they get a modest amout of flat XP.

Bump. Get it in next patch please.

[Saetos]

Will this be applied to all monsters in game?

[Shareida]

Will this be applied to all monsters in game?

Hope so.

[AGPEcko]

Huge de-bump.
Don't touch borgs.

[Jenshiye]

Will this be applied to all monsters in game?

Ultimately, what ever the AO team decide is best. One thing this could open up is raid XP, since if you have a tank that is 220, everyone in range will get normal encounter XP and (presumably) be doing their share of DPS and healing. All those out of the tanks range will get a fair amount according to their own level.

Yes, this could create a type of kiting opportunity, with 220 docs a 175 enf and a host of 140s all paying their fees. It is just one way it can help toward the possibility.

[sultryvoltron]

Bump for end all code to pocketing.

But, put in a new dungeon after foreman's so you don't have to pocket borgs after totw! (I guess I'm on a kick)

[Eskarin]

No.

[MajorOutage]

Too many OH EXPLOITABLEs here.

[mes]

pocketing is a bit silly but i think such changes should be done by attitude change, not forced by the devs. but oh well if they're really going to do something about it i certainly don't mind.

[Artyomis]

Somehow ely hecks are still kiteable

[Anayama]

Hah, I'm definitely going to run around in Ely on my enf mongoing all day so not a single lowbie gets xp. Brilliant idea, bump!

[Anarchic1]

there's a reason for pocket tanks, docs and etc. why? cause there isn't enough ppl at those levels to have full decently equipped teams.

[Mereditche]

Problem with pocket teams is that they interupt regular peoples gameplay. Some enfo aggros the whole beach and anyone taking a shot at the blob is called 'ks'-er. I think it's some sort of harassment. They could pocket them one by one, but they rather not.

It really takes away any motivation to work on your character. The reason most teams are bad is probably because they end up pocket teams all the time. People did pretty well at ely before pocket teams where invented, why shouldnt they be able to do it now. We got a lot more stuff in the last few years and phatz are far more available.

Please nerf pocket teams/

[Saetos]

Because after alt 3 or 4, the grind gets retardedly boring. No one wants to deal with finding teams that could falter after 2 kills because of some hotshot noob mongoing 3 hecks and dying. Pockets aleviate that; and I support them, as long as they don't get in people's way.

[Jenshiye]

Hah, I'm definitely going to run around in Ely on my enf mongoing all day so not a single lowbie gets xp. Brilliant idea, bump!

... and get banned for harrassment? Please, please do that!

there's a reason for pocket tanks, docs and etc. why? cause there isn't enough ppl at those levels to have full decently equipped teams.

There are plenty of people. I seldom have team less than five players and mostly six in SL. The trouble is the newbs are levelling too fast and don't make enough trips back to sell loot, they are not using back packs as they seldom even know where to get them, if they exist and how to use them. For the first 50 to 100 levels I just levels I just leave my skill menu open and from about level 10 let it automatically add on the skills since the levels are coming that fast.
Loot that was being ignored, was selling for 7K each at low levels. What do people mean there is no money in SL? So what if the mobs don't give you credits? Go and sell stuff. Get equipment!
It is totally pathetic when I go somewhere solo to test out a profession, like when I went to cripplers with a level FIFTEEN enforcer that had just fr00b gear on. I did a /list for a team that trained me. Every one of them was over fifteen levels higher. They were dying, I mongo'ed and killed their whole train!

Because after alt 3 or 4, the grind gets retardedly boring. No one wants to deal with finding teams that could falter after 2 kills because of some hotshot noob mongoing 3 hecks and dying. Pockets aleviate that; and I support them, as long as they don't get in people's way.

Pockets invite new players or take areas they need for levelling up. Now I understand the intention and it is nice to try including the newbies but as said above, they level too fast and end up under equipped and broke. So I don't see how it is their fault they end up being the lepers of the community when they turn into heck n00bs.

Now either we need to get serious about helping them, say give them 500K - 1M per level that you pocket them through, don't pocket them or start helping the heck n00bs get equipped and learn the game and how to team.

My main character is under equipped too, (by my standards.) Why? Since, I am always fixing your f*** ups! I help as many level < 200 heck n00bs as I can and try to catch them as early in levels as possible (after level 200 they become just too expensive). I have even scripted how and why pocketing and kiting your first character is really bad. That is how many I have to deal with.

Then comes all the sitting and helping them camp some things, all the almost soloing I have to do so they can loot. All the implants I have to run around finding, getting built or designing for them. All the credits and patience of my friends for buffs and TS'ing it cost to get them sorted out. All the teams where my friends get frustrated because we are trying to show the n00bs how to play.

Successes are few but rewarding. You have taught them they have to be level 220 now even after I help them, they usually leave in ~10 levels when they find they don't have the resources or friends to keep up.

Now do you begin to see why I play with the Classic players more? That is where the good players are made and I seldom have to help so extensively and exhaustingly.

---> Either we need to change how we play and start helping people.
or
---> We need mechanics like this to protect those players.

The population in this game is drying up and you all keep bleeting, "Why?" Well here is one reason and you are being "so" very helpful in making it worse with your good intentions.

[Berinda]

The trouble is the newbs are levelling too fast and don't make enough trips back to sell loot, they are not using back packs as they seldom even know where to get them, if they exist and how to use them.

What planet do you live on that there's a massive influx of noobs who know nothing about backpacks until level 100?

They were dying, I mongo'ed and killed their whole train!

At level 15 on an enforcer? Either you're exploiting or being pocketed.

So I don't see how it is their fault they end up being the lepers of the community when they turn into heck n00bs.

By not making the conscious choice to slow down and improve their toons? Reasonably minded people do that, no one is being forced to gain XP against their will by the evil "XP junkies" you think exist.

My main character is under equipped too, (by my standards.) Why? Since, I am always fixing your f*** ups!

Yes, you sucking is everyone else's fault. Your level 15 enforcer must be wonderfully equipped to fight multiple level 30 mobs.

Then comes all the sitting and helping them camp some things, all the almost soloing I have to do so they can loot. All the implants I have to run around finding, getting built or designing for them. All the credits and patience of my friends for buffs and TS'ing it cost to get them sorted out.

You make it sound as if you're being forced to do those things, which you aren't. These are the kind of things organizations are supposed to do for their noobs; if it's not being done, it's a problem that has absolutely nothing to do with leveling quickly, and everything to do with being in a ****ty org.

---> Either we need to change how we play and start helping people.
or
---> We need mechanics like this to protect those players.

So pocket tanks are the reason people don't put forth the effort to make friends and equip themselves properly? If you can't become a part of a social network, you probably shouldn't be playing a game that requires it.

Keep in mind, I'm not saying pocket tanks are good or bad; I'm just pointing out that your reasoning is so fundamentally flawed that it invalidates your suggestion.

[Manaas]

i dont pocket anyone who I dont know has a 220/15+ main

quick way of sorting through the noobs