Remove pvp titles

[MegaDan]

Why do we need them?

They just make pvp worse, create camping/hugging fests instead of pvp battles.

Seen people zone out of battlestations numerous times just to avoid getting killed. Many dont go there to participate in battlestation events, just to farm titles. Makes duels difficult, because people are too afraid of losing their precious Rookie titles to fight fair.

I repeat, why do we need them? They reflect 5% on how well you pvp, and 95% on how well you can camp/hug. I'd love to see them disappear.


I give it 10 minutes until we see posts saying.

-You dont want titles because you have a low one
-Pft you ganked me in ***** youre a titlehugger
-Blah blah blah you suck.

Now that ive taken care of the flames...what do you REALLY think?

[Rockempire]

I have to admit that the good PvPers that I know of, I've heard of through word of mouth. Their reputation precedes them as it should. I'm an awful pvper so titles don't mean a lot to me.

[Dodgy]

My opinion is that the titles shall stay. The problem isnt the titles itself or the players, it is the game mechanics allowing certain behavior and thus making the "value" of a high title useless.

Pvp'ers/people know who are good and bad, who deserves that title or not.

Would be nice to see some change tho, a title should mean respect and perhaps scare one or two

Sure there is towerbattles too, hard to farm titles here or hug, few might hug 75% gas but thats it.


note. I cant understand why it it possible to farm titles from your own faction, this is stupid.

[Cyberleet]

what do you REALLY think?

That removing titles won't remove said playstyles much

[xTwotwentyx]

everybody with master/expert/exprienced is most likely a title farmer/hugger

the rest mainly deserve and are helpful for who NOT to fight when you're just starting out....

and seriously, if people want to act childish and farm titles to master or champion, let them, if you don't pay attention to them they'll get bored

[MegaDan]

Yeah, I spose we can let people be dumb if they want and farm, but if there was nothing to farm, there would be nothing to lose, and might inspire REAL fights/battles.

Too many people are afraid of losing a meaningless title they get to 'gain respect' to fight fairly and improve their skills and maybe learn something by losing.



I guess Ill ask another question; What purpose do titles serve?

Chaosminion was right about it telling you who to fight and not to fight just starting out...but in all reality, it shouldnt matter, the more you play the more you learn. Doesn't matter how bad you get beat, hell when I get beat bad, I learn the most. I try and figure out how I screwed up so badly.

[Reneaa]

But I JUST got Freshman on a 215 nanomage MP....From a 220 low hp NT (lol @ NTs not raising NR, allowing me to land NSD)

[xTwotwentyx]

its fun to watch title huggers in bor....
I don't really care about my title, at least I don't care about it enough to not duel anybody (well, I refuse to duel low hp NT's and people with app)


hey, let them hug their title, just don't get too insulted by their empty insults...some people defarm their title so they get more duels so...

[mrbbad]

No, they are not needed, they are quite pointless. In all my time in AO I never looked at a PVP title and went, "wow, impressive!" -- Regardless of the title. I think it would be best to continue on the path of improving tower battles instead as a source of fun PvP.

[Seventh]

Dont touch my e-p33n!

And high title actually do reflect something (legit ones anyway- and yep there are plenty of legit Experienced/Expert)- they reflect player's skills in serviving as well as in killing opponents.

And yes it is funny that those that suggest title removal are the ones without high title.

[Somniforum]

Dont touch my e-p33n!

And high title actually do reflect something (legit ones anyway- and yep there are plenty of legit Experienced/Expert)- they reflect player's skills in serviving as well as in killing opponents.

And yes it is funny that those that suggest title removal are the ones without high title.

How exactly is that "funny"?

Makes perfect sense to me... someone who wants titles removed probably didn't didn't give a rat's ass about them anyway, so why try to achieve one?

[Seventh]

How exactly is that "funny"?

Makes perfect sense to me... someone who wants titles removed probably didn't didn't give a rat's ass about them anyway, so why try to achieve one?

The question is if its "didn't give a rat's ass about them anyway, so why try to achieve one?" or just "cant achieve one so wants them nerfed".

[Xaun]

The people I know and think are quite good at pvp typically defarm their titles to at least Freshy or none because they find themselves standing around waiting to find someone to PVP for inane amounts of time..

[Tulkas]

Keep the titles, but fix all the interference. Take what they did with the battlestation and apply it to 1-on-1 pvp. You and your opponent are warped to a room, NCU is purged, you have X amount of time to buff, fight to the death (minus the rezz ofc). No outside healing, no getting ganked by someone in sneak, no ducking out when you are losing.

This would also work with teams of 6 and IMHO would be f-ing awesome.

A title earned under that system might actually mean something.

[Mekh]

Titles are worthless imho... They mean absolutely nothing, since they can be farmed.
If I knew they were made in a fair way by the person being good at PvP, then it would be something else, but as it is.... worthless.

And high title actually do reflect something (legit ones anyway- and yep there are plenty of legit Experienced/Expert)- they reflect player's skills in serviving as well as in killing opponents.

High title DO reflect something, but since you have no idea whether the title is farmed or not, you don't know whether the person is good at PvP or at wasting time farming the title....

Effectively making the title utterly worthless... I can only vote for removing the titles with the current system, since they do nothing good, but makes some sad people with low selfesteem farm titles, and thereby ruining the title's function and worth for those who deserve it...

No... I do not have a title and most likely never will get one, since I often get killed in PvP... I have also quite a few times killed someone, but I'm after the fun and so what if I die...
As Megadan wrote... When I end up dead I usually have learned the most, so I will be better prepared next time

[Xaun]

Suggestions to fixing titles vs removing completely:

1) Time makes them fade requiring pvp to maintain a title
2) Cannot be farmed from same side if anything they diminish for killing same side

to me those two things would add alot more impact to them.

[MegaDan]

Keep the titles, but fix all the interference. Take what they did with the battlestation and apply it to 1-on-1 pvp. You and your opponent are warped to a room, NCU is purged, you have X amount of time to buff, fight to the death (minus the rezz ofc). No outside healing, no getting ganked by someone in sneak, no ducking out when you are losing.

This would also work with teams of 6 and IMHO would be f-ing awesome.

A title earned under that system might actually mean something.

Oh hell yes.

Thats exactly what is needed.

Cant get a fair duel cuz of stupid titles.

[ehdawg]

Titles, as has been repeated many times are useless.
Sure, there are many legit titles, some very high like expert, but the people with legit titles that high dont get higher without farmers. There are many good ideas here, but i think a ex-WoW title system would work. Your title degrades over time if you dont pvp, and you gain your titles by x number of kills in x amount of time(week?). Doesnt matter what your opponent has as a title. Killing your own side results in loss of points or reputation towards your title. Make them simply mean something.

Pwn?

PS. And make dying in PvP have no consequences, thats one of the main deterrents of pvp.
PPS. Yes, i do have a title, usually freshman or rookie on almost all my toons. Im not that good at pvp but i think its loads of fun if you find somone willing to 1vs1 fairly and not laugh in your face when they win(a good sport)

[Minge]

Bump for removing titles

[Ll4m4]

bump for removing titles, everybody agree to say they mean nothing and they just lead people to have lame behaviour and ruin gaming experience for a lot of people