Changes to Perk targeting and effect on Agents

[Blackcradle]

I didn't bring up agent vs soldier

OT: Nerfs are bad, mkay.

I know.
And... agreed.

[Contra]

No way, Nerfing 4 year old game mechanics without warning is a sure way to build consumer confidence.

And Stuart's Law of Retroaction is what customer relations is all about!

All these agents posting in this thread are bound to stick around just to see who it's gonna be next!

It's so exciting knowing it could be one of the professions you reroll to.
Or it might not be .....


*sits on the edge of seat*

qft.

[torakx]

i alrerady got a gimped 216 fixer i can work a lil on so it isnt too bad for me i spose

[Vaalena]

Ok, now I claim that The Shot change was a deliberate nerf.

"
You start sneaking.
You hit Contemplating Spirit with nanobots for 2800 points of projectile damage.
You successfully perform Fuzz.
You end sneaking.
You end sneaking.
"

If it was only db export problem, as Sil claimed, why only The Shot was got "fixed"?!

[Ebondevil]

Ok, now I claim that The Shot change was a deliberate nerf.

"
You start sneaking.
You hit Contemplating Spirit with nanobots for 2800 points of projectile damage.
You successfully perform Fuzz.
You end sneaking.
You end sneaking.
"

If it was only db export problem, as Sil claimed, why only The Shot was got "fixed"?!

Silent Plague got 'Fixed' as well which can be a touch annoying, but it wasn't so useful being able to use it on something other than your fighting target...

[Vaalena]

Silent Plague got 'Fixed' as well which can be a touch annoying, but it wasn't so useful being able to use it on something other than your fighting target...

Yes, another confirmation that the "fixes" were done only on the agent professional perk line.

So, Sil, how do you call if "fixes" affect only one single profession?
Cuz, I think most players call this "nerf"....

[cacat]

Sill's statistics regarding agent kill power is right.

You know why?

Because 90% of agents are AS/zoning noobs that farm damage and get kill points.
Sill is 100% correct when he says your kill counter is high,i saw 4 CRAP yesterday(and i really mean crap AS/zoning) agents,with 150+ kills.
Thats after 2 days.

So tell me,do you think Sill is going to go up to each individual agent and go:

"Excuse me sir,but did you get that kill point by being an AS/zoning agent or did you destroy him with your powerful alpha?"

No,he won't.

So discussing that point is not even worth the time,because its there.

And duels were never balanced,so stop crying about balancing it around duels ;>

OT:

Too bad The Shot got nerfed,i will miss the perk i never got perked with(without MR that is)

[Baalath]

Is starting The Shot during countdown in duels the reason for this nerf? I don't know if it could be done... maybe someone on test servers tried it?

[Cyberleet]

So, Sil, how do you call if "fixes" affect only one single profession?
Cuz, I think most players call this "nerf"....

Yeah, is it just me that finds it to be hoax? I don't belive it for a second

I think it's more that the current team is out of touch with the professions.
No offense with that to the devs but thats just how it looks.

Not only agents are going "huh" over this.

And we keep getting concealment, got entire perklines dedicated to stealth;
- Yet they eliminating mechanics that supports it.

I think it's really inconciderate and disrespectful towards the fanbase of the agent profession.

[Vaalena]

Sill's statistics regarding agent kill power is right.

You know why?

Because 90% of agents are AS/zoning noobs that farm damage and get kill points.
Sill is 100% correct when he says your kill counter is high,i saw 4 CRAP yesterday(and i really mean crap AS/zoning) agents,with 150+ kills.
Thats after 2 days.

So tell me,do you think Sill is going to go up to each individual agent and go:

"Excuse me sir,but did you get that kill point by being an AS/zoning agent or did you destroy him with your powerful alpha?"

No,he won't.

So discussing that point is not even worth the time,because its there.

And duels were never balanced,so stop crying about balancing it around duels ;>

OT:

Too bad The Shot got nerfed,i will miss the perk i never got perked with(without MR that is)

Of course, the number is right. I am sure everyone that have been to school more than 5 times can see when there is 1000 or 10000 on a piece of paper.

However, for the interpretation you need more than just numbers. As I said - if you see that traffic accidents are caused 80% of the time by sober drivers, that does not mean that driving drunk is the way to go.

I insist that dmg farming huge and is a problem for everybody - both for the farmed (they are annoyed) and the agents (as this is the easiest but not fun way to get a kill).
So that's what need fixing. Give other more fun options and agents will stop dmg farming. Pointing to numbers is just unreasonable and does not help anyone.

[Hacre]

Well I guess there's your problem. Damage farming through whompas to get "uber" titles pre 17.8 has bit you in the ass.

GG.

[Cheree]

Skilled agents were able to start executing them on almost dead mob and transfer the effect to next one - no more it seems.

I emailed FC about this issue some months ago, so to disable the transfering of perks (aimed for PvP).

The solution to our useless perks isn't to let us transfer them, but to diminish their execution time. Until then, I believe agents will take advantage of any dodgy mechanic that allows them to make use of these perks. PvM, I think that's alright, but not PvP.

[tehacidbaron]

To different type of agents in this thread.....

To those acknowledging it was an exploit and finding it not normal, good luck getting an more -normal- solution. Some perk cast times are abnormal.

To the other half who does find it normal, QQ MOAR!

[Blackcradle]

Although I'm probably more mad about The Shot than the fact that a few of our SL perks are now mostly useless, this is still a lame situation and it'd be nice if funcom found a way to redo some of the times on our perks so they could actually be usable. The problem is that FC would never change some of our perk execution times because everyone seems to have the perception that agents have numerous 1s 30% DD perks at our disposal, when in reality we only have one, yes one 1s execution time big dd perk (although admittedly it is a really good one). Yet at the same time everyone also thinks that all agents do is AS/zone/farm. If agents did have all these big fast dd perks at their disposals who would choose to AS/zone over just killing someone.?
Just some examples:
Called Shot: Attack time 6s
Assassinate: Attack time 5s
Death Strike: Atack time 5s
The Shot: Attack time 5s
There are a few others that are fairly slow as well.

[Cyberleet]

To different type of agents in this thread.....

To those acknowledging it was an exploit and finding it not normal, good luck getting an more -normal- solution. Some perk cast times are abnormal.

Yeh, as I said. Melee hitting kiting agents from 40m should have been nerfed, and it did.
Most agent are fine with disabling perk-swap, I know I am.

But it makes it pretty clear Funcom has some decisions to make about agent perks. Something has to be done.

good luck getting an more -normal- solution.

A profession-unique solution. Something fit to agents please. The Shot used to be exellent

Called Shot: Attack time 6s
Assassinate: Attack time 5s
Death Strike: Atack time 5s
The Shot: Attack time 5s

Nightkiller: Attack time 8s 6min recharge It even require 2 other slow perks to been used first

[Yue]

Yeh, as I said. Melee hitting kiting agents from 40m should have been nerfed, and it did.

lol!

[Lupusceleri]

WTB shorter execution time on our perks then heh. In the usual zergraid I can only use the AI perks and CS/Tranq, because mobs are DEAD before Pinpoint Strike lands (since you have to throw in SU+APS first to make it do good damage), let alone CalledShot/FTF.

Then, in pvp, we really really really don't have a ton of 1s execution time 30% capping damage perks available.. Really. Not.

{Edited by Natteravn: Removed flame/troll}

[Natteravn]

Cleaned up this thread drastically. Please stay on topic people and let's keep it civil.

Thanks!

[Berserkmc]

Heh, 1st time i see trolls removed from agents thread... Thanks Natteravn

Actually we have only 2 really fast DD perks(i mean professional ones):
Concussive Shot - 1s.
Tranquilizer - 1s.
Pinpoint Strike is 1s, but it require Soften Up and APS for normal damage, so it's actually 5s combo.
Find the Flaw is 3s, but it's require APS to land, which is 3s, so combo is 6s.
All other perks have 5s+ execution time and unusable in mass-raids(if you assisting a caller ofc), in missions and in mass-PvP(until you running around and trying to hunt 1 vs 1 or happy to use all perks in one target before it become a call for multiple players and drop in 1s).
Finishing perks, like Assasination and Death Strike from this moment is unusable 90-99% of the time.

Perks is ~1/3 of our PvM damage, so in terms of teams, that have good DD amount and acting vs low-hp mobs we will become unwelcome, due to low damage.

The solution might be reduce execution times of our 5s+ perks to 1-3s, and chain them to combos, or reduce damage if target is a player, or increase recharge times.

[Mastablasta]

just quoting this to show how you use pvp titles as basis of your argumentation.
i enjoy this.

unfortunately in pvp they would be too powerful in this case imho..^^

Just quoting to show that you use your inability to understand gamedesigning as a basis for your argumentation.
I enjoy this